Comments on: Excuses to not advocate web framework X http://www.hungtang.com/excuses-to-not-advocate-web-framework-x/ the world as i see it Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:47:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Dan Allen http://www.hungtang.com/excuses-to-not-advocate-web-framework-x/#comment-680 Dan Allen Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:12:14 +0000 http://www.hungtang.com/excuses-to-not-advocate-web-framework-x/#comment-680 My only response to the JSF comment, and this is by no means to defend this horrible problem in JSF, is that the default life cycle should have had Ajax incorporated from day one. The immediate=true problem is a workaround in a non Ajax world. With Ajax4jsf (now RichFaces) available, it truly makes JSF live up to its purpose. I will let you judge if that purpose is a good one, but at least it works now how it was designed. Of course, we need to get this into the standard or else it is hard to call it JSF, but hopefully with Gavin (and Seam folks) working with the JSF team, things will happen. My only response to the JSF comment, and this is by no means to defend this horrible problem in JSF, is that the default life cycle should have had Ajax incorporated from day one. The immediate=true problem is a workaround in a non Ajax world. With Ajax4jsf (now RichFaces) available, it truly makes JSF live up to its purpose. I will let you judge if that purpose is a good one, but at least it works now how it was designed. Of course, we need to get this into the standard or else it is hard to call it JSF, but hopefully with Gavin (and Seam folks) working with the JSF team, things will happen.

]]> By: Hung Tang http://www.hungtang.com/excuses-to-not-advocate-web-framework-x/#comment-609 Hung Tang Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:02:23 +0000 http://www.hungtang.com/excuses-to-not-advocate-web-framework-x/#comment-609 Oh yeah--I do Java web development, and I use whatever framework that's agreed upon from the start of the project. Or if the decision was mine, then I have my favourites, and you probably have one or few as well. To be fair to the other frameworks, I have to "tease" (not bash) every one of them even including the one I enjoy working with the most presently. The point is no matter which framework you think is the "greatest", there's always going to be 'fanboys' of other frameworks that's praising them and riding them as hard as you do with your own choice. What I find interesting is that there always seems to be an excuse(prejudice maybe?) for not wanting to believe that there maybe something else better. I'm just merely stating the obvious. Oh yeah–I do Java web development, and I use whatever framework that’s agreed upon from the start of the project. Or if the decision was mine, then I have my favourites, and you probably have one or few as well.

To be fair to the other frameworks, I have to “tease” (not bash) every one of them even including the one I enjoy working with the most presently. The point is no matter which framework you think is the “greatest”, there’s always going to be ‘fanboys’ of other frameworks that’s praising them and riding them as hard as you do with your own choice.

What I find interesting is that there always seems to be an excuse(prejudice maybe?) for not wanting to believe that there maybe something else better. I’m just merely stating the obvious.

]]> By: Wayland Chan http://www.hungtang.com/excuses-to-not-advocate-web-framework-x/#comment-606 Wayland Chan Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:32:43 +0000 http://www.hungtang.com/excuses-to-not-advocate-web-framework-x/#comment-606 I'm also curious what you use then. It's easy to sit on your couch and bash every major framework. How about something of benefit and making a suggestion? Are you still using Servlets? out.println("Regards"); I’m also curious what you use then. It’s easy to sit on your couch and bash every major framework. How about something of benefit and making a suggestion?

Are you still using Servlets?

out.println(”Regards”);

]]> By: Gregg Bolinger http://www.hungtang.com/excuses-to-not-advocate-web-framework-x/#comment-604 Gregg Bolinger Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:59:35 +0000 http://www.hungtang.com/excuses-to-not-advocate-web-framework-x/#comment-604 I guess my question is...Do you just not do Java Web Development? You've knocked out most of the major players. Ah, maybe you've rolled your own? :) I guess my question is…Do you just not do Java Web Development? You’ve knocked out most of the major players. Ah, maybe you’ve rolled your own? :)

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